Onomatopeia and the Sounds of Coldplay

 The hosts continue their discussion on the word "onomatopoeia," elaborating on its definition (words that imitate sounds, like "splash" or "ping") and etymology (from Greek meaning "name making"), and exploring examples of onomatopoeia, especially in animal and bird names. They highlight how different languages create onomatopoeia differently (e.g., a duck’s sound is “quack” in English, “coin” in French, “gaga” in Japanese), and discuss how language, words, and their meanings evolve over time and across cultures.

The episode shifts focus to a recent viral incident involving a “kiss cam” at a Coldplay concert. A couple (later revealed as high-ranking executives from the same company) reacted suspiciously while being filmed, leading to public speculation and memes due to perceived infidelity. The hosts discuss the likely consequences for those involved, touch on the ethics of infidelity and privacy, and even joke about possible conspiracy theories around the story’s virality detracting attention from serious news.

They also reflect on why certain viral stories captivate the public, the impact on bystanders caught up in viral moments, and the tendency for internet sleuths to doxx people. In a lighter segment, they compare the generational experience of music by calculating the equivalent of Coldplay to bands of their parents’ era (like The Beatles or The Animals).

The episode ends by reinforcing their main message—language and culture are always evolving, and it’s through honest conversation that we gain understanding. The hosts invite listener participation for future topics and close with a lighthearted note about “oldies” music and generational change.

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Any views expressed on this podcast are those solely of the hosts and is for entertainment purposes only. None of the content is medical advice or financial advice.

Special thanks to Tim Wright aka CoLD SToRAGE for his permission to use the song Operatique.

Transcript

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Welcome to episode 68 of I Hate Talking. Hi everyone. So we'll continue that particular bonus word that we had in our last episode, onomatopoeia. Nice. And I have been practicing the pronunciation, and I still have to think about it because the pronunciation, at least to me personally, doesn't exactly look like the word. And even more so when you look at the official pronunciation guide, so I just have to sort of not think about the letters. And just say on a mono Pia. OK. So we did get into a little bit of the definition of onomatopoeia last time where that describes a word that comes about because of the sound of whatever it's describing. So the particular examples that we gave last time was cuckoo or sizzle, where those particular sounds are made by those things, and that is how the word came about. Mhm. I guess we'll check the official definition from our favorite Oxford language dictionary to make sure that that adequately describes onomatopoeia. So, perhaps we already ran into the definition during our brief research last time because the Oxford Language Dictionary defines onomatopoeia as the formation of a word from a sound associated with what it is named. And it also notes that a relatively large number of bird names arise from onomatopoeia. And it also is used in some literary effects. So if somebody is describing a sound, they may coin a word or use a word that actually sounds like the thing that they are describing. In that particular literary work. Words that come to my mind are like ping, right? Like the thing pinged, like, you know what it means. I was like, ping, right? Yes. Or I'm trying to think of bird ones, obviously cuckoo cuckoo, but what else was there? So it doesn't give any specific examples, but let's see if we can find some other ones. Would splash be an onomatopoeia, kind of the sound it makes when it falls in the water. Perhaps the initial results that I get here for the birds is that a lot of bird calls, the words to describe that bird call or that sound that the bird makes are from onomatopoeia. So like call for crows, tweet for smaller birds, and hoot for owls are all from onomatopoia. OK, that makes more sense, yeah. Some other ones that of specifically the bird's name are Chickadee and Kill deer, a pee, a hooppo, a Bob White. So those are some particular words or names of birds. Bob White, what sound do they make? They apparently have a whistle that sounds like Bob White, so maybe we can find that and See if we can capture a Bob White call. That's funny. I want to hear that. So, a little bit of a stretch to say that the bird is saying Bob White, but I can now perhaps by hearing it ahead of time. The phrase Bob White sort of associated with that particular sound, but I don't know if I heard that sound by itself. I would think it was saying Bob White. Right. That's me too. I can hear it. I can force myself to be like, oh yeah, I hear it, but I would never have guessed that otherwise. So splash and ping, I guess we can do a quick research to see if either of those words are on a monopeia. OK. And then we'll get into the etymology of onomatopoeia, which is something that we did not do last time, since that was not the official word of the episode. So, according to Google, Splash is a onomatopoeia word, and that other similar words for water sounds like splish, splash, and plop are also from onomatopoeia. Here we go, nice. And I'm guessing that ping will be as well because I would assume that that came about from a radar ping where that is actually the sound that is made from the electronic devices that indicate that a radar has found something. And yes, according to Google again, Ping is another example of onomatopoeia, because it mimics the sound of the high pitched sharp ringing noise. When something on radar is found. OK, so I want to get to the etymology, but before I forget, is it the same in every culture for autoomonopoas? Like, with a different culture have the same word for peen or splash? Because you've heard like different cultures, sometimes they'll have different languages, will have different animal sounds. Yes, and that is what the internet once again says is going to be the most common cross-cultural instances of onomatopoeia is that things like a cat's meow or dogs bark, or the sound of a duck or pigs. Well, hold on a second. Cats meow and dogs bark are consistent. But ducks and pigs actually are not. OK, so what is an example from another language for a duck or a pig? So, in English, I think we're all familiar with the word quack for a duck, and oink for a pig. Some other languages here is for a duck, French coin. Japanese Gaga or Icelandic bra bra. So, those are some examples, and then for pig in German, grunts, Japanese, bouch, French, groin groin, and Latvianblux. Interesting. I wonder why that is. I don't know, in some of these examples here. I think actually the other languages probably are maybe even a little bit better, and I would even say that probably for. Some of the pig noises as well, perhaps, but like, for example, heartbeat in Japanese is doki doki. Doki Doki. Instead of like um um. Right. So, a lot of the summary information here attributes these differences because of the standard sounds that they use within their languages. So, for example, maybe these other languages don't have a QU ending in CK sound, so they would not even really use any type of that similar sound within their language. So. Quack would not really exist in. Any of those other languages and therefore not be used for animal sounds. OK, that makes sense. Now not noted here is that maybe the animals just make different sounds. They speak a different language. Yeah, there might be just ducks in Japan that don't quack. Maybe I don't know if uh Duck in America really quacks either though. I've heard some quacking sound, but again, maybe I'm predisposed to interpret that sound because that's what I've been taught is the sound noise and maybe if I did not have that. Preconception. Of quack that I would hear something else similar to. How perhaps we did not hear Bob White, but maybe. The person that found that particular species of quail. was named Mr. White, and his grandfather's name was Bob. Right. OK, and forgive me, cause obviously, I am not a talented voice actor, but as like a real life example, you always hear locally, like a rooster goes cock a doodleoo, but our roosters don't do that. It's almost the same up and down as that. But it's like more of like a. Uh, I'd say, right? Cause even like, I'll do that right there, that uh uh uh back to them, and they'll go back and forth with me. Yeah, that's true. So -- it's not a -- cock a doodle do. No, that's true. I think that even in some of these other languages and maybe as we were just alluding to for ducks that maybe quack is not the exact sound. But it's close enough and however it came about from the onomatopoeia development of the word was Good enough to explain because I mean in all intents and purposes, that is the purpose of communication is to impart some sort of information, knowledge or ideas to others. So if somebody was like ah ah ah and versus cock a doodle doo. That maybe that's more clear to say cocka do, even though it's not exactly representative of the noise that the animal makes. Yeah, that makes sense. There's a book, I'm gonna reread it again this year, because our kids are all about 2 years apart in grade level. So every 2 years, we do the same thing again with the following kid in school, and one of the books that our kid is going to read this year is Findle. And I remember our oldest one loving that book, so it'll be interesting to see what our second feels. They definitely have a different taste in literature, but File, that's the premise of it, is this kid in school decides that you can call anything, anything. Every word is made up. And so he starts calling the peninle. And uh he gets in trouble at school because he refuses to call it a pen or maybe it was a pencil, but, you know, writing equipment, and he gets in trouble and he has to do this whole thing about it, right? and convince everybody to call it a File instead. So it's kind of the same concept, right? Like somebody names it and we all just, that's what it is. I suppose so. I guess that fits right in with whatever generation is. What is the Gen alpha? Is that where we're on now? Uh, elementary kids or the ones being born right now. Yeah, I think it's alpha. With all their YouTube jargon. I said a word recently to a family member that was visiting. I said, sass, because again, that's just what all the elementary kids are saying. And it comes out occasionally, and she laughed, cause she doesn't have really kids that age, and she was like, I've never heard that used in real life. Like, oh. Well, I hang out with a lot of elementary kids. Indeed, so I think the takeaway there is that language does change and evolve and will have formation or evolution of words. As long as it continues to impart knowledge and ideas and information that those can be valid, but as that evolution and change happens or if it's just a brand new word or an existing word that is repurposed for a completely different definition, that the danger there is that if it's not commonly understood, it can lead to a lot of misunderstanding. Or no understanding at all. Yeah, like there's words nowadays that are used completely different than 60 years ago in books, and it can be confusing or almost even offensive reading those books now. Indeed. All right, back to the etymology of onomatopoeia, onomatopoeia, I would have guessed came from the Latin because of the ending with an IA, and it actually has four vowels at the end, O E I A. So I don't know if that's very common. It probably is, I guess in the old languages, but I was actually wrong. It comes from Greek. And it did flow through Latin before it came to English, so I guess I'm partially right. OK. But the root words are two Greek words that were combined. So, the anoma or onomat is the word for name. And that was combined with the word. Poin or pois, which means to make or making. So, when those are put together in the Greek, it would have been onomatopolia. Which literally means Name making or word making. And then that came into the Latin. And that is actually where it changed to the OEIA ending onomatopoeia. Oh, good job. You knew it then. That counts. I guess that counts, but it went through Latin. The actual original original was in Greek. So Nama, that makes sense. Yes, so onommana Pia literally means to make a name or put another way, word making. So, the way that words are made for, particularly on a monoia in the modern usage is from the sound. But I guess you could argue that any type of word making. Like if you are creating a new technology product and it combines two particular features and you call that device something that Is both of those things that. Quite literally, that would be me making automao Pia. The way that it's used in the modern vernacular is to specifically describe the words that are made from the sounds of the things that the word describes. OK, yeah. So, that is our word or phrase of the episode on a monoia that we alluded to last time, but now we've gotten into some more specific examples and definition, as well as the etymology. Cool, thank you. Well, we don't necessarily have a particular topic planned. So, you listeners can always suggest a topic for us to discuss. So if there's something that is in the current events or perhaps something that you have been thinking about, you can always send us a text message on the link in the description or send us an email or leave a comment. But I guess we just have to talk about what everybody's talking about. Is it about the viral TikTok video? The viral Coldplay TikTok video. It is crazy how much it's blowing up everything. And it's also, OK, super sad. I want to talk about it, cause I think the memes, all that are so funny. But first, you do have to preface this are real people's lives. There's real people that are hurt by this. I don't necessarily feel bad for the couple that got caught. But they have children, both of them, and they have spouses, so this is really sad for them. I guess maybe. I don't, I don't particularly know them. So maybe the kids hate the dad and they're like, finally a reason that he's gonna leave and this actually could be a good thing. There is a meme. Did you see it where it's the kids with the mom and they're like, how did we get so rich? And she's like, Well, your dad went to a concert with HR. And so, yeah, I guess if they don't like him, they're gonna get a lot of money out of this. That's true. And I'm sure perhaps maybe the person that took part in these actions or both of them are saddened by the loss of their Income generation methods because it seems like I think they've both been let go or quote unquote resigned, but You know, again, maybe they're happier now that they don't have to be in secret. Who knows? We don't really know. Yeah. So you think they're still together? I just assumed they weren't. We have no idea. -- You think it's true love in there -- we should back up for our listeners that have no idea what we're talking about, because maybe they have not seen all the viral posts about this particular thing because I personally did not until you brought it up and actually other people at work brought it up, but I think left to my own feed and news threads, I may not have seen this. Wow, my algorithm. Needed me to see this. I could not avoid it to save my life. All right, so since I'm the less informed in this particular scenario, I'll give my perspective on the events that transpired, and you can fill in the gaps. So essentially there was a Coldplay concert that took place somewhere. -- I have no idea -- where Minnesota, I think, OK. And I waiting to fill in we can back and forth this and at that particular concert, I guess they had their version of the Kiss cam, which is something that would typically be done at sporting events where during a break in the action at like a baseball game or something, they will have the camera operators search for supposed couples and have the little frame on the jumbotron that has Kiss cam or whatever and They capture those particular public displays of affection of those couples. So Coldplay, likewise, did this at their concert, which is a sort of a strange thing to do at a concert as an aside, in my own personal opinion, because if I went to a concert, I would go for the express purpose of the music, not to see anything about the lives or interactions of people in the audience. So. I guess it may be fun in the moment, but I don't know if I would particularly enjoy that experience because I just want them to play some songs and not take a break in the music and Use the camera to pan over the audience. I don't know, I disagree. -- Because if he's just playing his piano and -- singing like concerts, yeah, but like you just watch him play the piano or you can look at what other people are doing. Yeah. So if it was one or the other though, if you could go to an event and listen to, say, 40 minutes of music straight, or you could go to an event where say 10,000 people are gathered and there's 40 minutes of just basically people watching. I think he was still playing though. He wasn't not playing. OK, -- so this was sort of a side attraction that I -- think the screen to straight on Coldplay is doing some more emotional relationship type songs that this would be sort of like a love song type experience and that's why they're doing it. Yeah, the music was definitely playing while it was happening. But the artist. You immediately commented on it. Yeah, OK, so another detail then to explain the story as it continues is that they're doing this kisscam thing apparently during the music, but as they pan to this particular couple, there's a gentleman that is standing behind a woman and he has his arms fully embracing her, and when the camera pans to them or turns to them. That he immediately releases her, basically turns away and drops to the floor. And then she's covering her mouth and is very seemingly anxious or flabbergasted and doesn't drop to the floor, but does sort of turn the other direction from where the man went and turns her back to the camera. Yeah. And then immediately upon that, the artist or one of the artists within Coldplay immediately makes a comment on this. And I think he said something to the effect of, well, they're either having affair or something. Yeah. So, the clip shows them and pans to them, and again, kudos to them, if you're looking, they look like a very sweet middle-aged couple. I've seen memes that are like, well, at least he's dating someone his own age versus someone 20 years younger, so, good for him. They actually look really cute together. They're just kind of swaying to the music, cuddling. And the guy's like, oh look, At that couple, and then, yeah, like you said, they realize they're on the camera, he drops to the floor, she turns her back, so you can't see her. And so he responds with either they're having an affair or they're just really camera shy. There you go. Yes, that was the other side of the phrase that I was looking for as a punchline. -- And get a job -- for him being that quick-witted to realize what was happening. Yes, and perhaps that's why I thought that this was not part of the concert itself because it seemed like it was more of a shared experience, but Yeah, I guess if he's that quick-witted and sort of just was able to make that comment and keep on playing or whatever the case may be, so. And the thing I've seen so many times, people saying, had they not reacted that way, had they just played it off, then it would have probably moved on. I doubt anyone would have ever noticed it. But because of their drastic reaction, people instantly started searching their faces and trying to find out who these people were. Anyone else that was on that his cam? I don't know if anyone else googled any of them. That's true. Unless this was like broadcast live and maybe there was some event or something and their significant others -- were watching it or something -- like they like you go to concerts quite often and I love you. But I wouldn't stay up late watching the camera, you know what I mean, to watch and see if I could see you on the camera. That's true. No, I don't, I don't think they were doing that, but maybe they were. So I think you are correct then that probably if they had just played along, as it were, that this would have never received any attention. And even if it did receive attention, it would have been from that theorized person that I'm talking about that was watching at home and it would have still been a relatively personal matter, right? So I guess it later comes out, like you said, people are searching for all this information about who these people are that acted so abruptly, and it comes out that one is a senior leader, I guess the CEO of a particular company, and the woman was at first, I think he said CFO, but I guess it was later revealed that it was the HR -- head of HR -- head of HR, yeah, recently new and all that like. Right, like handpicked by the CEO and things of that nature, so. And that's also maybe why I think that it's true love, that so you're, you're happy for them. This is a great story. This is your takeaway, that this is a love story for the ages. I'm just adding another perspective that while it might appear messy from the outside and I'm sure it is that perhaps they will be happy together. I mean, it's a bit of sonder, right? They can have their own personal experiences and. This might have been the impetus for. Doing their own thing together. And the reason again, I'm citing this so on the wrong side of this. The reason that I'm citing this is because that, as you said, she's not particularly younger and there was some sort of relationship that was already in existence prior to meeting at the company because he brought her in and basically hand selected her for this particular position. And it seems like the relationship was probably quite long existing. Alright, I'm gonna go check on the kids real quick, and we're gonna pause the recording and you're gonna think about your answer and change it when I get back, as my husband, who's also middle-aged, who loves to go to concerts too, without me. So, you work on that answer, I'll be back. OK, what's the onomatopoeia for a rewind? I can't OK. All right. So I do it again. I How do you feel about the situation, Adam? So, after that brief break, you're back and while I am definitively against the actions that these two people took because they acted in a way that was unbecoming of married people and as you said, most likely hurt people, their spouses, their kids, their company that I am also. Considering the fact that they may have. Different ideas about the situation. That we have no clue about. So, my point is not that I am in favor of infidelity or in any way am condoning their actions. I'm simply stating the fact that. You described the situation in such a way that everybody ended up worse off that. That's probably true, but maybe not. Entirely true. Or has some probability of being untrue. So that was my singular point that I was making much earlier in the episode, is that the outcome actually could be beneficial and desirable for many different parties involved. Right, but he should have the integrity to end the marriage in such versus sneaking around. Or just stay committed to the marriage, yes. Yeah, yeah, that would be better. Right, so a good clarification that I think I can make is that I'm not condoning their actions. I probably also would land on the side that this is a detrimental event for all or most of the parties involved, but there is the slight probability that the outcome is actually perhaps favorable to some people. OK. So, yeah, I mean, that's fine. I do not have any sympathy for them because I strongly believe in the sanctity of marriage, and if it was this true love that you're describing, you should have had the integrity to Do something about it instead of sneaking around. Or I think it's come out that she is married, she has children herself. But and from your point, you're like, what if they're polygamists, right? Like, maybe this isn't a controversy. Maybe his wife was OK with it, because there are polygamists in the world, and From the TV show Big Love, and how they couldn't take out the other spouse because the world knew he had a different spouse, but I don't think that's what this was. Well there you go. Maybe that's the case. Have you seen any information or photos of the husband of the woman involved? Yeah, I've seen a couple. And people have shared his LinkedIn. LinkedIn doesn't have a picture on him, but he does have a lot of connections. He's a CEO himself of a different company. Well, there you go. Not as big or popular, but, well, maybe he'll get the CEO position of astronomer and then he'll be happy. There you go, or at least have the money. But even for that, I would have more respect for someone who is a polygamist, in that kind of situation. Because theoretically, it would be consenting adults that are all the wife would know about the other wives and consent to it. In an ideal situation, I know that there's a lot of abuse in that world. So I'd have more respect over that versus a couple that sneak off and their spouses are at home taking care of the children and not knowing what the other spouse is doing. That's true. But it is super funny, right? There are so many memes and Coldplay sent out like a tweet that was really funny. That was like, as of the next show, we will have camera-free areas for you and your side piece and things like that, you know, so they're definitely leaning into it and the memes are strong. But my question is, from that perspective, it's super interesting and funny, but why are we all talking about this? People cheat all the time, right? Yeah, I don't know why we're talking about this. I mean, I guess the reason that we're talking about it on this podcast is because it did go viral, so to speak, and I don't really know why that is, you know, maybe it's the Epstein files or just the AI that I thought this would be interesting to humanity, or maybe I just did gain some. Actual traction naturally and. Then became something that the entire world is apparently talking about. Yeah, I don't know. So you think it's a whole conspiracy planned to hide the Epstein files? I did see a meme like that where the CEO called Donald Trump and was like, hey, those Epstein files are pretty uh red hot right now. How are you feeling about it? And Donald Trump goes, well, it'll be OK. It'll work out in the end. And the CEO's like, OK, well, if you say so, and then Donald Trump says, enjoy that Coldplay concert. And the guy's like, oh yeah, I'm sure I will. And hopefully those Epstein files won't uh be such a big news story, and Donald Trump's like, yes, I'm sure they won't be. So Donald Trump sent it, huh? OK. Here's the second question real quick as we're wrapping up. What about the person aside? Have you heard all the controversy about the other female in the picture? I have seen some headlines about that or just some tidbits that apparently they were aware. Of these people, the CEO and the head of HR that perhaps they knew each other or something to that effect. Yeah, so it goes back and forth, initially, Internet sleuths also said she was part of the same company and worked for that department, so they were like, oh, they brought her and she's like the decoy or whatnot. And because in the photo, she's laughing so hard and her face is bright red. They're like, see, she's just so happy that she doesn't have to hide the secret anymore and stuff like that. And that could be true. And then other people are doing like AI comparisons and saying, no, it's not the same person. Her nose is slightly different, but the angle is different from the photos. So I'm not good at that kind of thing. But one, my face would turn bright red if I was a bystander, because I'd be on the big jumbotron with everybody looking at me and laughing. I also feel bad for Whoever it is, especially if she isn't involved, that was named from that company, because her name was doxed all over also, and she'll forever be connected with this controversy, whether she was really in it or not. Yes, that's similar to what I had seen, a lot more details there, but again, No particular conclusions on my end. And we may never know. So the takeaway from this is that it's this beautiful love story that you're so happy for the couple, you're gonna send them a gift, wedding gift in the mail. No. Are you gonna start going to Coldplay concerts? I don't mind Coldplay, but if they had a concert, I would choose another concert over them. OK, time's over. Why also, I don't know music very well. But why are people mocking them? Like, I wouldn't even be able to tell you Cole puts on until they play their music, and I know all the all those music. Is it just cause they're just so overplayed so long ago? Because we definitely all know those songs. Well, we are getting along on time, but maybe for the last thing that we can do is we can look at when Coldplay was formed. And see how that compares to our age versus a band that was formed when our parents were the same age. OK, let's do that. Also, while you're doing that, Probably my favorite meme that I've seen from all this, says Coldplay hasn't made a single in years, but tonight they made 2. Get it made two single people. So, Coldplay was formed in 1996. So that would have been 29 years ago. OK. So now we'll do some math and figure out what band came out or formed. -- At our parents' age -- when they were around, OK. Right, I was at our age. I caught ourselves. Are you glad I caught it? Yes, even though everybody knows that I have a big birthday coming up. -- You -- do. That's exciting. But they don't know what big birthday. You look great for 60. OK. OK, so we did some math in the background. So just to explain what we did, we took that 29 year gap. -- You're -- gonna tell how -- old -- we are then. No, I'm not. OK, I'm just gonna explain the function of the math. So we took that 29. Your gap from present day back to when Coldplay was formed. Then we took my current age. And then Took my dad's current age, added my current age, and subtracted the 29 years to determine. What band would have been formed when he was my age. OK, so internet sluice could definitely figure out our age based on that. But if they do that much math, they deserve to know. That's true, I guess as soon as I say the band's name, you could reverse engineer this but. There you go. Internet, do your thing. So. The animals and the yardbirds were formed in 1963. I don't know the yardbirds. I know the animals though. I don't know if I do. Now there are some very iconic bands as well that formed in 1963, so I guess 1963 was a big year for music. The Beatles, the Rolling Stones, the Beach Boys, the Kingsmen, and The Who were formed in 1963. I was going to guess The Beatles, -- I promise -- you. I believe that you were going to guess that. Oh man, I should have said it faster. So they actually had been together before that, but 1963 is when they released their first official album. I would have thought it was, yeah, early 60s, so that's would have been my guess. I saw the Beach Boys one time too. It wasn't all the originals, obviously, but I went with my dad. It was such a good concert. Yes. So, to a kid that, or just a younger person in general, that is like Coldplay, who's that? That would be like saying to a kid of these days or a young person of these days at that particular time that the animals are so cool. So, I mean, it would be theoretically like, I went when I was a kid to a Beach Boys concert, and I definitely enjoyed it. But it's kind of like Somebody getting caught at a Beach Boys concert, like, oh, you're, that's ridiculous. OK, the Animals did the House of the Rising Sun. I know some of these songs, yes, a lot of these I do not know, but House of the Rising Sun is probably the only song that I know about them, which is also the top listed song that they would be known for. Right. So, I think it's one of those things, right? Like, you know their songs, like we could list Beatles and Beach Boys songs, but it wouldn't be quote unquote, like, Cool music. Correct. Is that the theme? His coldplay's always been around as far as we are aware. They started playing music. I mean, I wasn't aware of music before that age. Um, yeah. My parents chose all my music, yeah, yeah. And now they're still around, but to modern music and Everything that's popular, they're sort of quote unquote old oldies. We have a radio station we listen to at our local pool, and it's called the Oldies, but they don't call it the oldies. They call it the, what is it? That's what they call, they call it the mix, but essentially it is oldies. All the stuff that we listened to when we were kids. Well, there you go. Perhaps that will be our word or phrase of next time is oldies, but I think we're at a good point to wrap up this episode. So, from your friends at IH Talking, until next time, remember, it is only through talking that we begin the journey to understanding.